# Tappedin transcript for VictorGo, 2004.02.21 10:03:43

2004.02.21 09:04:10        Login

Room: ASO

VictorGo joined the room.
SusanR joined the room.
BernieD: Bienvenidos, Victor.
GabrielG: Here in Targoviste we are three people involved in "Think, Construct and
Communicate" project! Hi Victor and Javier! Targoviste is with you all!
BJ: Welcome, Victor and Susan. Can you please introduce yourselves?
VictorGo: Bienhallados todos.
JavierS: Un saludo a todos
SusanR: Sue from Ontario, Canada.. k to 8 Occasional Teacher and presenter K to 3+
Resources here at TI
BernieD: Victor and Javier are from Valladolid in Spain... the lead institution for
this project.
BJ: ahhh...glad you could join us, Victor and Javier!
VictorGo: Javier and me are teachers from the CFIE Valladolid II (teacher training
center in Valladolid, Spain), and we are from the Think, construct and communicate
project.
BernieD: Great group! Let's get started.
GabrielG: Victor! We could use the transcription for filling the BSCW space!
BernieD: The purpose of today's special chat is to introduce you to some WebQuest
work that I've just become acquainted with. Earlier this month, I spent 3 days in
Targoviste, Romania as a member of a working group from 5 EU countries. They've been
working on creating an online course for teaching WebQuest development to teachers.
BernieD: First of all, some context. The project is called Think, Construct, Create,
and it's a part of a much larger program in the EU that is funding multinational
groups to work together on common projects. The overall goal is to increase
cooperation across EU member states and to harmonize the various institutions in
education and technology. As an American, I have to say that I was blown away by how
challenging a task that is. Every country has its unique educational system,
terminology, language, and requirements. It makes the differences between
Mississippi and New York look like no difference at all.
BernieD: I'm going to project a web site. BJ.... do your thing.
BJ: when Bernie projects a url a new window will pop open for you. You'll still be
able to see this chat window
BernieD: To begin with, here's the project web site.
BernieD projects http://cfievalladolid2.net/thinkweb/
BernieD projects http://cfievalladolid2.net/thinkweb/
BernieD: Click on Introduction and spend a minute getting the big picture.
BJ . o O ( you also might want to click on the actions drop down menu in the top
right of the chat window and scroll down to detach to make the chat window larger
and easier to read. ) 
BJ checks to see if everyone got the projected webpage
MargaretD: got it
SusanR nods
ElizabetD joined the room.
BernieD: Welcome, Elizabeth.
MargaretD: the EU is getting better at integrating
VictorGo: Well, my chat window is now legible
ElizabetD: Hi to everyone
BJ: Elizabeth, we're reading the introduction at http://cfievalladolid2.net/thinkweb/
BJ . o O ( click on the url to open a new window, Elizabeth ) 
BernieD: So... you can see that it's quite an ambitious project. I didn't even know
about it until a few months ago when I got the invitation to go there from Gabriel
in Romania.
BernieD: That made my day!
BernieD: Click on Participant Institutions. You'll see that there are universities
and teacher centers from Finland, Poland, Spain, Italy and Romania.
VictorGo: The project actually started on Janvier 2003, with a first coordinating
meeting at Valladolid
BJ smiles. Sounds like a very exciting challenge.
MargaretD: you have fans in Europe Bernie
BernieD: Tell us more about Valladolid, Victor. Is it a large university? Just for
teachers?
ElizabetD left the room (signed off).
SusanR: impressive
VictorGo: Valladolid has a large University. The University has educational
dpartments, but also Science, Law, etc.
JavierS: Large and old (from 13th century)
BernieD: And Valladolid is the coordinating institution and houses the web site and
collaboration tools for all 5 countries.
BernieD: Wow. Around here, 1930 is old.
VictorGo: But CFIE Valladolid II is a Secondary center that depends on the regional
educational authorities (Consejer?a de Educaci?n de Castilla y Le?n).
ElizabetD joined the room.
GabrielG: ...and Valladolid is a very very beautiful town, with a great rugby team! :)
BernieD: Well... you've seen the big picture, now let's get to the personal side.
VictorGo: Yes, a great rugby team, and we are near Madrid (the most famous soccer
team in the world, "Real Madrid)
JavierS: Gabriel es un pelota (tranlate to english)
BernieD: I blogged about my experience as it happened, and as you'll see it was a
dizzying experience. Gabriel and Laura kept us very busy and very well fed.
BernieD projects
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ebdodge/blog/2004_02_08_archive.html#107640026776676327
BernieD projects
http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ebdodge/blog/2004_02_08_archive.html#107640026776676327
BernieD: Since it's a blog, it's chronologically backwards. You might want to scroll
down to Targoviste Day 1 and read upwards.
GabrielG: Well, that's typical for Romanians! Busy and well fed... :)
VictorGo: Well, at Valladolid we host the server with the web site of the project
and a electronic platform to virtual cooperation (collaboration): BSCW. This is the
url hhtp://cfievalladoli2.net/bscw
VictorGo: Romanians are very nice people
BernieD: Actually, you can't get to Day 1 from there.
BernieD: Yes! Delightful.
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MargaretD: you type /project and the url and everyone gets it
BernieD projects http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ebdodge/blog/2004_02_01_archive.html
BernieD projects http://home.earthlink.net/%7Ebdodge/blog/2004_02_01_archive.html
VictorGo projects http://cfievalladolid2.net/bscw
VictorGo projects http://cfievalladolid2.net/bscw
MargaretD: there you go
KarenGst2 left the room (signed off).
BJ: Please let people know before you project a webpage...it can be pretty
surprising to anyone who doesn't know what is happening
BernieD: Would you like to describe the BSCW for us, Victor? It's an interesting
system.
BJ . o O ( like Karen ) 
VictorGo: Thank you. In BSCW we coordinate the project and we develop the different
national versions of our WebQuest on-line course.
VictorGo: BSCW allows us share folders, files, discussions, chat. We can make
different workgroups and share workspaces.
BernieD: It's not clear to me what steps you all went through in developing the
course. Did you first do it in English, and then translate?
VictorGo: BSCW is a software that started also as a european project. The software
is from FIT in Germany. Developed since 1995
VictorGo: Yes. the course have been developed in english as a first edition in 2003.
Then , the different partners have translated it to their national languages
ElizabetD left the room (signed off).
ElizabetD joined the room.
VictorGo: After the first edition ended, the on-line course was again re-writed and
now, we are developing the second edition
BernieD: (Sorry for disappearing... plumber just arrived)
BernieD: And as part of the project, the course was actually taken by local teachers
who were then responsible for actually inflicting their WebQuest on kids.
VictorGo: The local turors (in each country) create shared workspaces in BSCW for
the students to develop de course
JavierS: http://www.orbiteam.de is the website of BSCW
BJ . o O ( you can click on the blue hyperlink to open a new window ) 
VictorGo: The last phase of the on-line course (first or second edition) is the
classroom implementation. Then, we evaluate the impact in the classrooom wityh the
tools developed by the evaluation partners (Poland and Rumania)
BernieD: One of the features of BSCW is the fact that you can change the prompts to
be in your own language. That makes it EU-friendly.
BernieD: The highlight of the trip for me was to see the kids in Targoviste talking
about the WebQuests they experienced.
GabrielG: ...but not in Romanian till now, Bernie. You could do it in Poland by
example...
BernieD: Gabi... say a few words about how the project worked at your local high
school.
VictorGo: Yes. BSCW is not specifically a learning platform, but a collaborative
one. But is good for coordinate and teach at the same time. It has different
language interfaces (yes, not Romanian)
ElizabetD left the room (signed off).
GabrielG: Excellent! Our students (professors, in fact) were very interested in
knowing the Technique, even they have not had more experience on IT
VictorGo: In the project he have also to evaluate the BSCW platform. At the
beggining of the project we have to decide what platform we will use. We use BSCW
becuase is free for educational purposes. So, if we use this platform with teachers,
the tehy can continue the work without us.
GabrielG: Beside our professors, the children answered very good to the WQ
requirements!
MargaretD: nice to see people in it for the money
VictorGo: The romainan children made an excelent job (and of course the teachers)
MargaretD: not I mean
JavierS: They, theachers and students, made a good job
MargaretD: sounds fabulous
BJ: are we able to access examples of those WebQuests, Javier and Victor?
GabrielG: Well, I think Romanian teachers and children try to reach the western
experience as soon as possible. few years ago we could not dream at all of those:
from ITimplementing to webQuests, by example
VictorGo: Yes you have many different national examples in the project website,
OUTCOMES
BernieD: I've picked out a few that are in English.
BernieD: Shall we look at one?
BernieD projects
http://cfievalladolid2.net/pub/bscw.cgi/d95494-2/*/*/tracksofthewolves.htm
BernieD projects
http://cfievalladolid2.net/pub/bscw.cgi/d95494-2/*/*/tracksofthewolves.htm
BJ nods in anticipation
BJ: did everyone get that projection?
MargaretD: Gabriel I think this shows another reason why you should be part of the EU
BernieD: As you can tell from the "Documento senza titulo" this is from Italy.
GabrielG: Thanks Margaret! Unfortunatelly, a lot of people say it's not the right
time for Romania :((
BernieD: Any feedback from Carol, Susan, Margaret, BJ for the EU folks?
MargaretD: those people don't know anything
BJ: I like the rubrics
BJ . o O ( I don't like the font in the title...very hard to read ) 
CarolB: I think that it is very exciting to see WebQuests and constructivist type of
activities spreading
BernieD: (spreading indeed... I'm going to China in June)
MargaretD: hehe
BernieD: Let's look at another one.
BernieD projects http://cfievalladolid2.net/pub/bscw.cgi/d130875-5/*/*/*/*/*/index.htm
BernieD projects http://cfievalladolid2.net/pub/bscw.cgi/d130875-5/*/*/*/*/*/index.htm
CarolB: Is BSCW like Tapped In ?
JavierS: This webquest is from Gij?n (north of Spain)
VictorGo: No, BSCW is not similar to Tapped In. Its main features are their
asyncronous tools (shared workspaces)
VictorGo: (I don't know why the links in this page are not actives)
BernieD: Easily fixed, though.
VictorGo: Yes.
BJ: I like this WebQuest too...nice collaborative activities and very detailed rubric
BernieD: One of the challenges I'll bet you all faced is in finding resources online
in the various languages. So much of the web is in English (and soon, Mandarin).
BJ wonders how that challenge was met
MargaretD: so many countries f Europe learn English for just that reason
VictorGo: Yes, some times it is dificult finding resources in each national language
BernieD: Which must irritate the French to no end.
BJ chuckles
GabrielG: You could see also a WQ dedicated to DRACULA, created by a professor of
English from Targoviste.
http://cfievalladolid2.net/pub/bscw.cgi/d127330-2/*/*/WebQuest%20Ionascu%20Corina
MargaretD: they were coming along fine till their feathers were ruffled
GabrielG: Could we try the URL:
http://cfievalladolid2.net/pub/bscw.cgi/d127330-2/*/*/WebQuest%20Ionascu%20Corina
BJ: Thanks, Gabriel.
SusanR: I think we have to shrten the URL. Bj
SusanR: ..shorten
GabrielG: The URL is offered by BSCW system :)))
BJ: clicking on the blue hyperlink gives us an index
VictorGo: Only a question: can we record this session to upload after in BSCW in
order all the partners can see it?
CarolB left the room.
SusanR: I see
BernieD: Yes... you'll get a transcript to post as soon as you leave Tapped In.
CarolB joined the room.
BJ . o O ( 15 or 20 minutes after you log out you'll get an emailed transcript,
Victor ) 
GabrielG: The transcription will be in your e-mail account Victor,... FREE! :))
VictorGo: Thank you
VictorGo: Well, Bernie. What about the videoconference project?
BernieD: I haven't had a chance to talk to my local folks about it... sorry!
BernieD: What luck have the rest of you had?
BernieD: (The next step is a multipoint, multllingual videoconference in April!)
GabrielG: We are in disscussion here in Targoviste. We hope to do it but if not,
let's do Tapped-In with all the partners! What do you think Victor and Javier?
MargaretD: kewl
VictorGo: At this moment all the partners have a lot of work to select and translate
into english the "best" webquest to present it by videoconference.
BernieD: (too bad Esperanto never caught on)
MargaretD: did you learn it Bernie?
VictorGo: Yes, Gabriel. If the videoconference don't work we may go to Tapped In
BernieD: I dabbled.
GabrielG: Yes! Yes! We have the room for that! Thank you Victor!
VictorGo: .. and use a local english translator, of course
JavierS: In french better ;-)
VictorGo: Of course :-)
BernieD: Maybe we could augment it with iVisit to see the faces.
BernieD: http://www.ivisit.com
GabrielG: Well, let's Bernie decides the language!
MargaretD: that is how English is used in Europe Bernie
BernieD: My choice? Let's do it in Latin.
CarolB: sure
GabrielG: OK! Oscar will be very very happy!
BernieD: Well, cousins, our time slot is almost over.
BernieD: I wanted to share the URL for my pictures with our other guests.
MargaretD: thank you
VictorGo: Yes, and here in Spain, we have to go with our clildren to Carnaval
celebrations. And you?
BJ applauds for Bernie and all the participants in the adventure!
BernieD projects http://homepage.mac.com/bdodge/PhotoAlbum6.html
BernieD projects http://homepage.mac.com/bdodge/PhotoAlbum6.html
GabrielG: Is ivisit a real good option for a real time video conferencing? If Yes we
could try.
BernieD: No carnival here...
MargaretD: we have carnival here too but it is COLD!!
GabrielG: I saw the pictures! Bernie is a great artist!
BernieD: iVisit is OK. If you all had Macs, iChat is awesome.
VictorGo: At this moment carnival is also cold in Spain (we have snow)
BernieD: http://homepage.mac.com/bdodge/PhotoAlbum7.html also.
BernieD: Wow.
JavierS: Happy canival !!
BernieD: Well... it was great to be with you all again. I hope this was useful for
our non-EU guests.
CarolB: delicious
BJ: wonderful! Thanks so much.
GabrielG: Javier, could we use Bernie's picture for the webpage section "Picture
gallery"? Bernie, are you agree with that?
BernieD: Sure!
CarolB: Thanks to all!
VictorGo: Very nice to meet all of you. Of course, it was very useful.
MargaretD: Thank you
GabrielG: Thanks! When shall we meet again?
BernieD: OK... hope to see some of you again next month. No date or topic set yet.
CarolB left the room (signed off).
BJ . o O ( hopefully, it will be set soon! ) 
BernieD: (but I will soon, BJ)
BJ grins. Thanks, Bernie
VictorGo: Godbyeeee....
GabrielG: But I think Victor we could use the chat soon!
SusanR: Thanks all!!
BernieD: OK... good day and good evening to all.
BJ waves bye
JavierS: Gabi your costume maybe... Gariel The brave.  Bye!!
MargaretD: Bye
MargaretD: Ciao
GabrielG: Good evening everybody!
BJ: Gabi, you can use Tapped In any time ...and meet in a private office
SusanR: au revoir
BJ: any member can have a private office
MargaretD left the room (signed off).
GabrielG: OK! Thank you all!
VictorGo left the room (signed off).

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